7 Mar 2005
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I was flicking through some copies of certificates when I noticed that the informant for the birth of John Dineen in 1849 was a Timothy Collins, described as “occupier”. This is unusual and suggests that the Dineens were lodging with someone, perhaps a relative. Later on I spent a few minutes on Ancestry searching for Dineens in Monmouthshire in the 1871 census. Purely by chance I came across this entry:
1871 3 Plymouth Farm, Tredegar, Bedwelty (RG10_5321_5324-0119)
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born
Thomas Collins Head Mar 54 Contractor Ireland
Johanna Collins Wife Mar 45 Ireland
Agnes Collins Dau 14 Scholar Llangynidr, Breconshire
Cecilia Collins Dau 11 Llangynidr, Breconshire
Catherine Dinnen Sister in law Wid 64 Annuitant Ireland
Daniel Dinnen Nephew Unm 43 Labourer Ireland
Catherine Dineen must be Johanna’s sister or once have been married to Johanna’s brother. Daniel is probably Catherine’s son. Catherine would have been born around 1807. My Daniel Dineen ancestor was probably born around 1811, both in Ireland. Perhaps Catherine married my ancestors brother in the 1820s. Later, in the 1830s when the Dineens moved to Wales, my ancestor Daniel lodged with the Collins family in Caerleon. The relationship could be:
Scenario 1: Catherine married Johanna's brother
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Thomas = Johanna Daniel = Mary ???? = Catherine
COLLINS XXX DINEEN | NIGHAN DINNEN/ | ?????
| DINEEN |
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John (+Bridget and others) Daniel
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or,
Scenario 2: Johanna and Catherine are sisters
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Thomas = Johanna Catherine = ???? Daniel = Mary
COLLINS XXX XXX | DINNEN/ DINEEN | NIGHAN
| DINEEN |
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Daniel John
(+Bridget and others)
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I wondered about the term annuitant and found the following on the web:
Annuitant
The term annuitant could describe someone on an annual allowance as well as someone receiving
annual income from an investment. Often however, it was also used for institutionalized pensioners.
Boarder
a person who shares the dinner table with the family.
Lodger
a person who has separate accomodation to the householder.
Lunatic
a mentally ill person with periods of lucidity.
Imbecile
persons who have fallen in later life into a state of chronic dementia.
Idiot
persons who suffer from congenital mental deficiency.
Scholar
from 1861 onwards a child was described as a scholar if he/she was over 5 and receiving daily
schooling or regular tuition at home. There was no definition of the latter. In 1871 the census officials
in London broke the confidentiality pledge and divulged the names of all children 3-13 and their
parents (with addresses) to the London School Board to help enforce compulsory education.
Dressmaker
the occupation of 'dressmaker' was commonly given by prostitutes.
In-Law
terms such as Brother and Brother-in-Law were used interchangeably and somewhat unreliably.
Likewise Sister and Sister-in-Law.
Tew, Facer, Rogers, Cody
This weekend Steph’s Mum and Dad visited and we got to talking about family history. Here’s what they told us:
Anastasia Cody's mother was a McDonald of Sleet
David Alock's father was William Alcock. he had siblings Rhona who is the same age as Bernice and
looks just like her, Sheila and Michael.
The Dunmores had a blast furnaceman in the family who lived in Nether Heyford and then moved to
Corby
Amos Rogers married Mary Facer. Mary's mother as Mary Rhymell from Tring and Farnham. Her
father lived Wavendon. His father was a butcher and had another son who went to London
Unversity and ended up as a teacher in Wales. This teacher had a daughter and a son named after
him who became a coach builder. The family were orphaned and the son returned to Wavendon?
There was some discussion of the Clarke family, on the Dunmore side of the family.
Amos Rogers' sister was Blanche Mabel who had a twin, Lionel. Blanche Mabel had a baby who had
an operation on its eyes and died shortly after.
Blanche had a birthday book with lots of family information which Linda now has.
Linda's grandmother Mary had a brother called Alfred who went to Canada.
There was a Facer who was a judge and went to South Africa or Canada
Barry's cousin David thinks that the Cody family are related to Bill Cody the famous cowboy
David also believed that the Alcocks came from a line of master wheelwrights
Rogers
We looked for Alfred Rogers’ family in 1901 (he is Amos Rogers’ father):
1901 Spencer Road, Rushden (RG13_1440_1441-0316)
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born
Alfred Rogers Head Mar 53 Dairyman (milk) - own London
account
Sarah Rogers Wife Mar 52 Northants,
Rushden
Wilfred Son S 17 Milkman - at home Northants,
Rogers Rushden
Ada Rogers Dau S 18 At home Northants,
Rushden
Mabel Rogers Dau S 15 At home Northants,
Rushden
Facer
We tried looking for Mary Facer, Amos’s future wife in the 1901 census. We think she would be in her late teens and living in Bedfordshire. We found a likely candidate in Bedford, St. Peter working as a housemaid to George Brown, a retired consul:
1901 2 Pembury Avenue, St Peter, Bedford (RG13_1487_1489-0368)
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Facer Serv. S 20 Housemaid - domestic Beds, Houghton Conquest
We looked in the 1891 census to see if we could find her living with her parents. We found:
1891 Houghton Conquest, Bedford (RG12_1257_1260-0607)
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born
Thomas Facer Head M 52 Farm labourer Bedford, Houghton Conquest
Catherine Facer Wife M 47 Bedford, Houghton Conquest
Mark Facer Son S 16 Farm labourer Bedford, Houghton Conquest
John Facer Son S 13 Farm labourer Bedford, Houghton Conquest
Emily Facer Dau S 9 Scholar Bedford, Houghton Conquest
Mary Facer Dau 8 Schola Bedford, Houghton Conquest
This doesn’t look like the right Mary Facer since we believe our Mary’s mother was Mary Rhymell. We carried on looking in the 1891 census for a Mary Facer aged around 10. There was a Mary Facer aged 12 in Cheadle, Stockport with mother Mary:
1891 15 Albert Street, Cheadle, Stockport, Cheshire
(RG12_2799_2800-0237)
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born
George Facer Head Mar 36 Plasterer Warwickshire, Rugby
Mary Facer Wife Mar 35 Cotton Weaver Lancashire Manchester
Mary A Facer Dau 12 Cheshire Stockport
Elizabeth H Dau 11 Cheadle, Stockport
Facer
Walter H Visitor S 35 C. ??????rier Warwickshire, Rugby
Clayson
Cheshire is a long way from Rushden so if this is the right Mary Facer, why did she move so far away? There is another 12 year old Mary Ann Facer in Bletchley but her parent’s names were James and Ellen. We also found a 14 year old Mary E Facer in Bradwell, Bucks with a mother Mary:
1891 142 Top Street, Bradwell, Bucks (RG12_1148_1150-0223)
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born
Alfred Facer Head Mar 44 Railway coach Bucks, Wavendon
finisher
Mary A Facer Wife Mar 43 Herts Tring
Mary E Facer Dau 14 Assistant at home Burnley
Alfred E Facer Son 12 Scholar Bucks New
Bradwell
Alice Facer Neice 11 Scholar Caersws Wales
Raymond R Son 7 Scholar Bucks New
Facer Bradwell
Blanche M Facer Dau 1 Bucks New
Bradwell
Lionel E Facer Dau 1 Bucks New
Bradwell
. . . quoted from RG12-1149-37-45 ()
This family matches up with the information Barry and Linda gave us. We followed this family in the other censuses. In 1901, they were still in Bradwell
1901 37 High Street, Bradwell, Bucks (RG13_1359_1361-0053)
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born
Alfred Facer Head Mar 54 Railway carriage Bucks, Wavendon
finisher
Mary A Facer Wife Mar 55 Herts, Tring
Mary E Facer Dau S 24 Drapers Assistant Lancs, Burnley
Alfred E Facer Son S 22 Engine filler Bucks, Stantonbury
Raymond R Son S 17 Railway wagon Bucks, Stantonbury
Facer finisher
William F Nephew S 16 Railway wagon Montgomoryshire
Facer maker Caersws
Mabel B Facer Dau 11 Bucks, Stantonbury
Lionel E Facer Son 11 Bucks, Stantonbury
. . . quoted from RG13-1359-26-20 ()
They were in Bradwell in 1881 too:
1881 142 Top Street, Bradwell, Bucks (RG11_1477_1482-0224)
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born
Alfred Facer Head Mar 34 Railway carriage Bucks, Wavendon
finisher
Mary A Facer Wife Mar 35 Herts, Tring
Clara A Facer Dau 5 Scholar Yorks,
Mexborough
Mary E Facer Dau 4 Scholar Lancs, Burnley
Alfred E Facer Son 2 Bucks, Bradwell
William H Son 2mos Bucks, Bradwell
Facer
. . . quoted from RG11-1478-41-53 ()
We looked for Alfred in 1871 but could not immediately find him. We looked for all Alfreds born in Wavendon as well but there were no matches. We also looked for all people aged 23, 24 or 25 born in Wavendon and all Alfreds aged 23, 24 or 25 born in Bucks. We looked in Wales but he wasn’t there either. However we came across a William F Facer born in Wavendon, then living in Caersws, Montgomeryshire:
1871 Priv? School Caersws, Llanwrog (RG10_5608_5613-0527)
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born
William F Facer Head Mar 26 Schoolmaster Wavendon, Bucks
Mary Facer Wife Mar 23 Schoolmasters wife Llandinam, Montg.
Mary Eliza Facer Dau Unm. 5mos Schoolmaster's dau Llanwrog, Montg.
This surely has to be a close relative, perhaps a brother of Alfred Facer. We looked for Facers living in Wavendon in 1871 in the hopes of finding other members of Alfred’s family. We found three Facer families:
1871 Grocers Shop, Wavendon, Bucks (RG10_1418_1420-0109)
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born
William F Facer Head Mar 53 Butcher Wavendon, Bucks
Fanny Facer Wife Mar 57 Butcher's wife Brington Northants
Harriet Facer Dau Unm 28 Dressmaker Wavendon, Bucks
Elizabeth Facer Dau Unm 23 Butcher's dau Wavendon, Bucks
and another William living in a grocers shop
1871 Grocers Shop, Wavendon, Bucks (RG10_1418_1420-0105)
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born
William Facer Head Mar 49 Grocer Wavendon Bucks
Eliza Facer Wife Mar 50 Grocer's wife Diddington Oxon(?)
and, finally, an Andrew Facer:
1871 Cross Inn, Wavendon, Bucks (RG10_1418_1420-0105)
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born
Andrew Facer Head Unm 20 Blacksmith Wavendon, Bucks
We also came across an Amos Facer living in Old Bradwell:
1871 Old Bradwell, Bucks (RG10_1416_1418-0126)
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born
Amos Facer Head Mar 23 Farm labourer Wavendon, Bucks
Anna Facer Wife Mar 21 Lacemaker Wavendon, Bucks
Elizabeth Facer Dau 2 Wavendon, Bucks
Charles Facer Son 10mos Wavendon, Bucks
Anna Facer Visitor Unm 27 Lacemaker Wavendon, Bucks
During our 1871 search we found:
an Alfred Facer aged 29, living in St. Pancras, born in Gogton(?) Northants. His wife was Charlotte
and he had two children Alfred J and Emma E
an Alfred Facer aged 30, living in Swinton Yorks, born in Leicester. His wife was Frances, 28, and he
had a daughter Florence Annie aged 2
an Alfred Facer aged 31, living as a lodger in Fladbury Worcestershhire, born in Sheriffs Lench,
Worcs.
an Alfred Facer aged 33, living in Marylebone, London, a bookseller's collector, born Middlesex
Strand. His wife was Mary A Facer, aged 32 born Dorking in Surrey. He had a daughter Alice R,
aged 6
Rymell
We looked for Mary Rymell in the 1871 census. She was working as a servant to a Fanny Clarke who had many servants and a lord and lady as visitors. There was also an Elizabeth Rymell, quite possibly Mary’s sister
1871 The Firs, Frimley, Surrey
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born
Mary A Rymell Serv Unm 25 General Servant Tring Herts
Elizabeth Rymell Serv Unm 21 General Servant Tring Herts
. . . quoted from RG10-820-84-24 ()
How did Alfred and Mary meet? We checked the IGI for marriages of Mary Rymells and found a likely candidate:
Marriage of Mary Anne Rymell to Alfred Facer, 28 Dec 1874, Frimley, Surrey
The GRO reference is:
Mary Anne Rymell, DEC QTR 1874, Farnham, Hampshire/ Surrey, vol 2a, page 144
also, an Elizabeth Rymell married in 1872:
Marriage of Elizabeth Rymell to William Boon, 13 Oct 1872, Carshalton, Surrey
We looked for other Rymells born in Hertfordshire - there was only one family:
1871 The Firs, Watford, Hertfordshire (RG10_1380_1382-0263)
Name Relation Condition Age Occupation Where Born Notes
George Rymill Head Mar 35 Printer - compositor Oxford
Fanny Rymill Wife Mar 36 Printer's wife Tring, Herts
George Rymill Son 9 Scholar Watford, Herts Deaf
William C Rymill Son 7 Scholar Bushey, Herts
John Rymill Son 5 Scholar Bushey, Herts
Alice Rymill Dau 2 Bushey, Herts
Clara Rymill Dau 5mos Watford Herts
William Pangbourne Lodger Unm 50 Carpenter & Joiner Tring Herts Deaf
